Why is Kiba-dachi Important in Kyokushin

Why is kiba-dachi (horse stance) so prevalent in karate, yet not utilized as a fighting stance? Why is there so much importance on it? These are questions that were raised recently by my instructor Sensei Steve Fogarasi at our dojo, Contact Kicks Martial Arts (President of IFK Canada and Country Representative). As well, why do we train so low, etc. Upon his guidance, I decided to do some research into this stance and answer some questions along the way.

Sensei Darren Stringer – World Champion in Kata and Kumite

The horse stance (sometimes called horse-riding stance) is a common posture in Asian martial arts and takes its name from the position assumed when riding a horse. It is called mǎbù (馬步) in Chinese and kiba-dachi (騎馬立ち) in Japanese.

In southern Shaolin Gongfu, the most important stance is the Horse-Riding Stance. It is also one of the most demanding exercises in all Gongfu.

Historically the horse-stance isn’t as low as we see in Japanese Mainland Karate. I.e. Shotokan. More modern incarnations of mainland Japanese karate lengthened and deepened stances for training and aesthetics at the expense of functionality. This is particularly evident with the advances by Funakoshi Yoshitaka, son of Shotokan karate founder Funakoshi Gichin.

Funakoshi Yoshitaka lengthened and deepened karate stances, which is very obvious when you examine photographs from the early 20th century, which demonstrate higher and narrower stances.

Funakoshi Gichin performing Naihanchi

Not only did Funakoshi Gichin himself use higher stances, but also so did his rival Choki Motobu. In the case of Naihanchi kata both men adopted a stance which was considerably narrower and higher than that seen in modern Shotokan.

Sensei Andre Bertel performing Tekki Sandan

As a side, Funakoshi renamed Naihanchi kata to Tekki (Iron Horse), in reference to his old teacher, Itosu, and the form’s power. In the earlier days of karate training, it was common practice for a student to spend two to three years doing nothing but Naihanchi/Tekki, under the strict observation of their Sensei. Motobu Choki, famous for his youthful brawling at tsuji (red-light district), credited the kata with containing all that one needs to know to become a proficient fighter.

Motobu Choki performing Naihanchi

Given Sosai Mas Oyama’s background as the founder of Kyokushin Karate, with roots in Shotokan and Goju-ryu, not to mention Taikiken the Japanese martial art, greatly inspired by Chinese Yi Quan, it isn’t surprising that we place so much emphasis on Kiba-dachi as well, yet not utilize if in kumite.

Sosai Masutatsu ‘Mas’ Ōyama, founder of Kyokushin Karate

I look to the Chinese arts for their horse stance, as historically, this is where most of Karate gets its major influence. It isn’t as low and wide as that seen in modern shotokan, but it isn’t quite as narrow as Shotokan’s or Motobu’s kiba-dachi.

According to most Chinese martial art scholars, the main purpose of the Horse-Riding Stance is not only training the body, but also training internal energy and the mind. It is an incredible method evolved by masters through the centuries where the practitioner’s form is reduced to the bare minimum so that they can focus on training their energy and mind.

Because the form is simple, it is easy for the inexperienced practitioner to make mistakes. The most serious mistakes are that they tense their muscles, although they think they are relaxed. The next most serious mistake is that after some time their stance is not upright and posture begins to fail.

Remaining correctly in the Horse-riding Stance for two minutes is quite an achievement. Most people cannot remain for 30 seconds. But you should aim at five minutes, which is the minimum requirement for a reasonable achievement in this stance training. You must progress gradually. It may take you many months, or even years, but the effort will be well spent. 

Kata aren’t meant to look like fighting. They are training drills for conditioning the body. Accordingly, stances don’t have to be “real” – they can and should be lower so as to add “load”, and focus on one’s center of gravity.

Three factors influence one’s centre of gravity: state of mind, energy balance, and physical position. One other bonus is that it influences flexibility with developing flexible hips.

Consistent horse stance training can have profound effects on;

  • Your structural balance between flexibility and strength
  • Internal energy flow
  • Mental discipline
  • Muscle endurance
  • The development of martial capabilities in other areas, by learning to be rooted and grounded with natural centre of gravity.

Fundamentally, the horse stance is a position that has been proven over thousands of years to develop strong, flexible hips and legs, plus a focused, resilient mind.

If a person stands upright and is perfectly relaxed, even if they are untrained in any art, their centre of gravity is naturally focused at a point below the navel, at a vital point called Qihai (“Sea of energy”). It is located two finger widths (2-3 inches) below the center of the belly button. It is so-called because your Qi (chi) or vital energy is focused there naturally. This qihai vital point is often also called dan-tian, which means “elixir field”. Shen, which can be translated as “Spirit” or “Mind”, and implies our consciousness, mental functions, mental health, vitality, and our “presence”, may also be focused there. That is why some spiritual disciplines regard this vital point as the spiritual centre too.

Most people do not stand upright and are not perfectly relaxed. Many people stand with their toes pointing outward and leaning back slightly. If they were perfectly relaxed, they would fall over because their centre of gravity has shifted from their dan-tian to their back. But they would not fall, because they tense their back muscles and leg muscles to support themselves. They are so used to this tension that they normally are not aware they are tensed.

Even if they stand upright and are physically relaxed, they are not relaxed emotionally and mentally (or in qigong terms, energetically and spiritually).

They are often excited or nervous or experience other negative emotions, thus causing their vital energy to float upward. They also think of myriad thoughts constantly. This causes the spirit to be dissipated. But most people are unaware of such subtle activities going on inside them.

Practicing the horse-riding stance is an excellent way to over these problems. The form of the stance itself lowers your spiritual focus as well as your energetic focus to your dan tian. At first you would be physically tensed, as you are not used to sustaining the form. But with practice and as your energy flows, you can be physically relaxed. Hence you attain a one-pointedness of mind, energy and form. When you understand this, you will understand why the horse-riding stance is so important; it is not just a physical exercise to strengthen your leg muscles but involves all your three components of form, energy and mind.

In Chinese medical theory, there are three things that are essential to sustaining human life: Jing, Qi, and Shen. They are called the “Three Treasures,” and each one contributes to the overall health and wellbeing of the body. Once you have acquired the skill of focusing your mind, energy and form at a point through horse-riding stance training, i.e. once you have achieved a unity of jing, qi and shen, you can apply the same skill to any forms or movements, such as to swimming, combat application or your daily work.

Stephen “Wonderboy” Thompson

In closing, though the stance has been adopted in sport karate as combative, think Wonder Boy, originally it was used in developing balance, low center of gravity, endurance, both physically and mentally, which applies to areas of karate, and life.

OSU!

Comments 13

  1. Mal Sanchez-Jones

    This is a great article and informative for a martial artist but someone focusing on becoming an efficient fighter or for self defence prolonged kiba dachi will not improve your performance. Combat application drilled using kiba dachi then pressure testing is the key to success. Like I say if the ‘scholar’ side of martial arts appeals and keeps your enthusiasm and passion that’s great but it will never make you a ‘warrior’ and vice versa it’s all about balance! Just my opinion! By the way I use Kiba dachi for takedowns and throws like tani otoshi in Kudo all the time! Thanks for spending the time to write this. OSU!

  2. Ralph

    Interesting article! Thanks for sharing your study. Since Kyokushin is about toughen your body I also believe that lowering the position is about building strength, courage and spirit . It’s all about increasing your resistance and resilience.

  3. Roger Ueda

    Great observation from Shihan!
    Some differences in terms of kata that I noticed with regards to stance: in goju ryu, Seienchin is typically perfomed in shiko dachi, and kyokushin it’s practiced using kiba dachi.

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      Scott

      Yes, I noticed this as well, and began some research. I have a new article coming soon to answer these questions. Thank you for reading! Osu!

  4. Ronny Sudiono

    Sometimes I really wonder why and how things seems to come together when you are seeking, studying, pondering…. I’ve attained sho-dan this September, and because of my age (62) I begin to realize that there is a certain shift of interest in my Kyokushin karate journey. I like to study more deeply into the why-questions, and this article of yours fit in this journey.

    I remember that my mother and grandfather, who were trained in Chinese Kungfu, said that they had to stand in Kiba-dachi for a long time at the beginning. Just like you said. Your study has broaden and deepens my knowledge, more so in the overall meaning and purpose of the stance. Up till now I’ve seen it as purely a physical training, but now I realize that it is a complete training of body and mind. Thank you!

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  5. Christopher Shabazz

    I had wondered about that as well and for comfort while doing kata I also went to the shiko dachi position. I did it a lot and why I have to really think hard about NOT doing it now for comfort is that I got hit hard a few times with the shinai and now that I am near the half century mark in my life, I need to retain the strength that I had when I was younger. So, now I make it low and really focus on the mechanics. What are the toes doing, which way are my knees pointing, do I feel the stretch through the ankles and calf, is my back and hips aligned correctly? To be honest, watching Kung Fu and JKA teachers and student have helped me a lot.
    I’m forever a learning student.

  6. Tom Callahan

    Funakoshi Ginchin used to use SHIKO DACHI in his Tekki kata….I have always been a little confused. Okinawan based Kata and mainland Japanese seem to interchange Shiko Dachi and Kiba Dachi for the same kata. I don’t have an answer. Kiba Dachi with the toes straight an the stress on the outer foot and leg is more difficult, but Shiko Dachi seems more stable for fighting purposes. (see SUMO )

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      Scott

      I am working on the research to that question right now, and will have a new post next week on it! Thank you for reading Shihan Tom, and taking the time to comment. Osu!

    1. George

      Hi, great vlog! Yes, you are absolutely right! “Horse stand” in history was the first thing you have to practice to build your strength, endurance and to get mentally ready to move forward. It was the foundation of Martial Arts. It’s a shame that Karate, Kata especially, is turning into gymnastic! Luckily some of the clubs still practice traditional way with out “commercial influence “…..
      Oss George.

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